Annie vs Daniel vs Howard circa 2002-03 (LONG)
This is prolly old news for most of you, but its new to me. And a fun read.
[b:3774366f4a]Daniel's Annie Rant.[/b:3774366f4a]
I'm often asked what makes me think that this woman is such a low
life. Here are just a few examples of facts that make up what this
woman truly is as far as I‘m concerned. For those of you who don't
care to read it, you can stop now and save your complainin':
1) Wanna Split it?- Playing in a stud 8 or better side game, Annie was
heads up with one other player. After much betting it appeared as
though Annie had the high hand and the other had a low made by sixth
street. The player with the low board asked if she wanted to split
it. Annie said, "Yeah, ok". The player threw his hand toward the
muck expecting the dealer to start chopping the pot, when Annie said,
"Wait, only if you have a low I mean."
Once she said yes however, the pot should ethically be split.
Despite virtually everyone in the game explaining to Annie that once
she says yes to a chop, she has to chop. She wouldn't budge.
Finally, after much hysteria she decided to give the player back ONLY
the money he put into the pot. Had the tables been turned, she's
still be blue in the face about how unfair that was.
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2) I swear on my kids!- Annie habitually leans over to look at the
cards of the person sitting beside her in a game, whether they like it
or not. Well one day one of the players was fed up with her sweating
her neighbor's hole cards and he spoke up about it. She obliged
saying, "Ok, I won't look anymore."
Not an hour later, a triple draw hand comes up, and she is caught
red handed looking at her neighbor's hole cards again. This time the
player objected furiously, "I told you to stop looking at your
neighbor's cards!" To which she replies, "I SWEAR ON MY CHILDREN I
WASN'T". This was an absolute lie. She saw EXACTLY what card her
neighbor got and ANNOUNCED the hand before it was turned over, also
saying something to the effect of, "Oh you would have made it anyway."
**A 4 had been flashed that would have been her neighbor's card.
Instead she received a 6 to complete a 2-3-5-6-7, which is the third
best hand in 2-7 triple draw (the 4 would have been the mortal
nuts).** Later, Annie falsely claimed that the player who was upset
with her threw a chair AT HER. Again, impossible.
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3) Just checkin'- Playing in a one table satellite for the main event
at the WSOP, Annie was up against Tony Ma and Dan Alspach. Tony moved
all in on the button, Annie folded in the small blind and Dan began
studying. After some time, Dan folded his hand, and Tony threw his
cards towards the muck telling Dan "Aces. I had two Aces." Well
after the hand hits the muck, Annie GRABS THE HOLECARDS, LOOKS AT
THEM, and says "Just checkin‘" as if she had done nothing wrong.
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4) Sitting in a short handed 300-600 mixed game in 1999 I was
unfortunate enough to have to sit beside Annie. Again, she has a
simple rule that she lives by, "It's ok for me to look at your hole
cards when I am out of a hand but I can't show you mine because I
can't give away any information". Niiiice. Anyway, after about 30
minutes of her sweating my hole cards, I KINDLY say, "I'd actually
prefer it if you didn't look at my hole cards since we are short
handed and all." (5 handed at the time). About 15 minutes later,
another player sits down in the game making it six handed.
So know after I've raised before the flop and she'd folded, she
looks over at my hole cards again. This time saying, "It's six
handed, I can look now". Niiiice.
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5) Oh my God, it's so my seat- On a Monday night Annie walked into the
poker room to put her name on a list. When the seat opened up, the
floor man called out a name that wasn't yet present. Annie said, "If
he's not here it's my seat." To which the floor man replied, "He's
just outside, he's on his way."
"Oh my God no way! You can't do that! You can't lock up a seat if
you aren't even here!" After much bickering the poor floor man
succumbed and gave her the seat.
Wednesday night, EXACT same scenario, only this time Annie was the
one who was first up on the list but not present at the time the seat
was called. Now this time, she is arguing for the OPPOSITE ruling.
"Oh my God, I was right here. I was here to put my name on the list.
I didn't even leave the building" (how the floor man is supposed to
know that is anyone's guess). Anyway, after throwing yet another
hissy fit she got that seat too. This is one of Annie's common
practices: "Argue NOT for what's fair and just, argue only for what
benefits you." Niiice.
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6)This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me in a
tournament- At the WSOP main event in 1999, Annie was involved in a
pot with another player who had limped under the gun. Annie raised
the limper from the button with A-7 offsuit. When it got back to the
limper, he went to make a raise, but DIDN"T SAY RAISE, and then went
back to his stack to raise even more. Well, in any no limit
tournament that is considered a string raise. Not always called, but
it's a string raise nonetheless. Well, another player, Steve Kaufman,
called the string raise to the dealer's attention. To which Annie
shouted, "Oh my God, you're not even in the pot! What are you doing!
Oh my God, this is the worst thing that even happened to me in a
tournament!" etc.
She was upset with the fact that she had now been raised the minimum
by the limper and was "forced" to call the extra 60,000 raise. After
lambasting Mr.Kaufman for something he had EVERY RIGHT to do, she
ended up flopping an ace and WINNING the pot because of the called
string raise. "Well maybe that was the BEST thing that ever happened
to me in a tournament." Snort, snort, giggle, giggle.
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7) Cup Boy- Finally, my first ever meeting of this woman was at the
Four Queens in 1996 when I was just barely 22. Up to that point I'd
had virtually no success in tournaments in the US, but was eager to
learn from the so called "superstars" of the game.
** Before I go any further, It's important to give you a little
background info. At the club I played in in Toronto, we had no
bottled water, just purified water you could get from the gallon. So
I'd fill up a Styrofoam cup with water, and when it was empty, would
leave it hanging from my lips so the porter wouldn't take it away and
I'd have to waste another cup. This became somewhat of a habit you
could say.**
So here I am in this tournament, where across from me was this woman
and another well known tournament player. This woman doesn't know me
from Adam, but goes out of her way to ridicule and make me feel like
an outsider. As though I didn't belong in her "clique". After
witnessing her behavior I was pretty sure I didn't want any part of
that "clique" anyway.
KNOWING I could hear every word she was saying, she says to her
"clique" member, "Oh my God, what's up with cup boy over there. I
wonder what that cup's all about. You think it's for medical
reasons." She then went on to giggle arrogantly. At this point I
actually spoke up and said, "If you'd really like to know there is
actually a pretty normal reason for it?" Apparently acknowledging my
existence may have looked less "too cool to talk to the low limit
players" if you know what I mean.
In conclusion., with two odd tables to go I play a hand against her
in which SHE WINS. I had a good amount of chips at this point and she
was all in for less than a bet on the river. I had actually bet the
turn with a draw, and checked the river when I made a pair. The board
was (10-8-2) A- J. I held Q-J in the blind and called her raise from
middle position. I checked and called the flop, and bet the ace on
the turn hoping to steal it. On the river I made jacks, but didn't
think she would call me with a worse hand but may check a better hand
or even bluff. That's not important though.
What is important, is that she berated me for playing the hand that
way! "Oh my God, if you were going to call on the river anyway why
didn't you just bet?? I mean, oh you know what forget about it. I
shouldn‘t be educating."
I was beyond puzzled, but to be completely honest slightly
embarrassed. I was there alone and knew no one in the tournament
whatsoever. At the time I wasn't certain if I actually made a
horrendous error or not. I may have spoken 20 words the entire
tournament, and couldn't fathom why someone would want to be so mean
to a complete stranger?
Anyway, I later thought about the hand and realized that she was
absolutely WRONG about the correct strategy in that situation.
Considering the information I had, I played the river just fine.
Couple years go by, I get lucky and win a few tournaments… and all
of a sudden she is all nice to me. Phony nice of course, but nice
nonetheless. The more I got to know this woman however, the more I
was witness to her true colors and the more I disliked her. Despite
making my BEST efforts to tolerate her obnoxious personality I no
longer wanted to put up with it.
The only thing I'm sorry about in all this, is what it has done to
many of my friends who happen to have thicker skin than I and can
tolerate Annie. It puts them in a peculiar position. That I regret.
Other than that, NOTHING I've ever said to her, or about her is
something I'd ever consider apologizing for. Those are my true
feelings… and I sleep well..
You see, I don't NEED to be Mr. Phony Nice Guy, all I gots to be is
who I is. I ain't gonna say what y'all want me to say, I'm onna
say wazz on my minds when I feels like it. Na' I mean? Damn
straight.
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Don't get me wrong I've done some pretty stupid things in my time.
I'm not afraid or worried about what anyone has to say about me, it's
all out there. I have few secrets if anyway. I been broke, blew some
stake money, loaned railbirds, staked deadbeats, been on the borrow,
all kinds of bad decisions. That's real. In all honestly though, I
ain't NEVER disrespected no man or no woman unless they had it comin'.
I was never one to see bullies get their way, and I was never one to
close my eyes and shut my mouth when I see somethin' I don't like. I
keep hearing, "But Danny, this isn't in your best interest. "Danny
just go with the flow and don't rock the boat." Hell no!
You a cheat, I'll say so.
You a bi-atch-- I'll say so.
You a angle shooter, I'll let my peoples know.
You a fraud? huh, I'll expose you and feel no way…y'understan?
I'm out.
Daniel Negreanu
kidpo...@hotmail.com
www.fullcontactpoker.com.
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[b:3774366f4a]Daniels response to some random guy:[/b:3774366f4a]
> When Danny tells the story in an effort to denigrate Annie, what is his
> excuse for not pointing out the poor poker logic used by her? If he
> felt she was acting, then the story has no relevance, since her screeching
> would then be 'justified'. He finds her arguing the most intriguing part
> of the story, not that she shows extremely poor poker logic in the
> story, which makes me think that Danny does not understand why the
> logic is poor. And he does not have the outs available to him that
> Annie has.
I'll tell you why I didn't go into detail. The whole point of that one
character flaw was focused on the fact that she yelled and screamed at an
innocent man. A man that did something WELL WITH IN HIS PERSONAL RIGHTS
TO DO, and the whiny woman chewed him out for it. As for the logic? She
wasn't pullin' no hollywood, that donkey just don't think that deep. She
knows call, call, call just fine but that whole thinkin' concept just
hurts her little head too much.
The woman made a bad play in every sense of the word on the hand for
about a million reasons she can't comprehend. A couple examples:
A) the raise was too small to get him off almost ANY hand he'd limp with
under the gun.
B) She obviously misread Jim's limp as weakness and was dead wrong.
C) Her chip position wasn't big enough to take on such risky plays.
She'll blow hands like this on a regular basis, that's why you NEVER see
her name at the top of any tournament list. Only way she could win is if
the deck hit her smack dab in the middle of that big old teethy grin of
hers for the duration of the tournament.
Daniel Negreanu
kidpo...@hotmail.com
www.fullcontactpoker.com
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[b:3774366f4a]Howard's Response to Daniel[/b:3774366f4a]
Daniel,
I would first like to say that, in the past, I have always rooted for you.
I thought you had the kind of engaging personality and charisma that the
game of poker needs. Sadly, however, you have allowed your desperate need
for public recognition, both for you and your close friends, to turn you
into a mean and vindictive person. You try your best to keep this from you
adoring fans, but tourney regulars know better.
My motivations for making this post are many, and I think I should detail
them now. As most RGPers know, your post from a couple of days ago was
about my sister Annie Duke. You claim you wanted to keep her name out of
it. This is a complete lie. First, you knew I would figure out who the
post was about. You also knew that a lot of other high limit players would
be able to figure it out. You thought it would be cute to continue your
smear campaign against my sister just under the radar. Then in one of your
follow up posts to my "Grow up" thread, you wrote, "The same person that
will tell a player NOT to educate the other players, then five minutes later
ask the player she told not to say anything a poker question?" The use of
the female pronoun seems intentional. I can only conclude that you really
did want to publicly embarrass her. But this post is only a culmination of
a summer full of public attacks on my sister, a campaign that has hurt her
deeply. My sister has been inclined to not fight back. But I can not sit
idly by any longer.
You have also made it clear that you are willing to damage your own
reputation to bring Annie down. I will get into your reasons for this
later. I know that if I can diminish you in any way in the eyes of the
public, you will feel personally diminished. Sad but true.
For me, violence is not an option, so the only thing I can do to make you
pay something for the pain you have caused my sister is to make the public
aware of your true nature. I spoke to you privately about this issue, but
the smear campaign has only intensified. Also, though I admit that I was
extremely steamed when I made my post two days ago, the last couple of days
have only brought me down to a simmer. I need to make this post to feel
better. I don't like feeling angry all the time.
Your reasons for going after my sister's reputation as a poker player are
obvious to anyone who knows you and many others who don't. First, you
simply feel that the only female poker player who deserves any media
attention is Jennifer Harman. Second, you just don't like my sister. There
is something about her personality that rubs you the wrong way. I can't
blame you for this and would never hold that against you. We all have those
people we just can't get along with.
Your obsession with the public's perception of Jennifer's place among the
top women players combined with your general dislike of Annie has caused you
to lose all objectivity where she is concerned. If we only look for the bad
in people, whether it be their conduct or their play, there will always be
something to find. Nobody is perfect. But this obsession is causing great
harm to Annie, and it needs to stop.
I could almost stomach the attacks on her play if that was all you had been
doing. But you have gotten really nasty and personal. You have been heard
at tournaments, where Annie is not present, referring to her as "Annie
Puke." You have also complained that she doesn't have any nice clothes and
she looks disgusting. I am sure your wardrobe would be just amazing after
going through four pregnancies in six years. This is grade school stuff on
your part, but it still hurts. When I ask your friends about why you have
gone berserk on this Annie thing, they just shake their heads and can't
really explain it. I would be surprised if any of your friends think this
has been a good thing for you to do.
I would not have had to make this post if you had been even a little
contrite in response to my post of two days ago. But, instead you showed
your true colors. Your first response to me, at 5:42 P.M., went like this:
"I just thought the post was funny. I didn't name any names did I? All
that stuff REALLY happened. If anything, it's a good advertisement for the
Bellagio game."
We now know this wasn't the real reason for your post. You didn't want your
adoring public to think that your post might have been mean spirited. But
you couldn't stand it and 16 minutes later you posted:
"One more thing 'the self proclaimed 'expert' deserves all the criticism the
expert gets. The expert, is the same person that routinely takes part in
all of the stupid conversation that goes on in those games. All of the,
'how bad does he play' talk. The expert deserves to hear some of that same
criticism. If the expert were a gentle, nice person who wasn't so rude and
obnoxious at the table, I never would have posted any of this stuff. The
expert, is the same person that will look at your hole cards when out of a
hand, but won't let you look at theirs. The same person that will tell a
player NOT to educate the other players, then five minutes later ask the
player she told not to say anything a poker question? The expert is a stuck
up bully, that deserves everything the expert dishes out, ten fold."
It was nice of you to call yourself on your own lie so quickly.
I have also noticed a pattern where outrageous behavior is OK if it is you
who does it. While drunk in a medium stakes poker game, you tried to snatch
a player's toupee off his head. You then told him that he should get it
washed. You now fondly recall this incident as funny, funny perhaps to you.
Your repeated comments calling Henry Nowakowski an idiot during your final
table WSOP web cast where uncalled for and colored by personal issues.
These are just two events, but they show that personal attacks aren't just
reserved for my sister. You seem to be able to justify any action toward
someone if you personally dislike that person. I find this part of your
personality quite distasteful.
I also find it amusing to see how creative you have gotten at trying to call
attention to your poker skills. You couldn't just come out and say, "Look
at me! I have won 7 tournaments this year in only 13 final tables." So you
did the next best thing. You wrote an analysis of the other top players,
with special attention to their finishing skills, hoping that your adoring
fans might look up your finishing record and drool. That these capsules
about your colleagues might upset some of them was of little consequence.
You'll do anything to further the Daniel legend.
I am not trying to change you with this post, as I will never again have
anything to do with you. I will, from now on, ignore you entire existence,
unless, of course I am trying to bust you at the poker table. You have
crossed the line, and I don't really care if you ever come back.
Howard Lederer
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[b:3774366f4a]Daniel's Response to Howard's response[/b:3774366f4a]
"Howard Lederer" <howa...@lvcm.com> wrote in message <news:6Oal9.81616$S32.5244010@news2.west.cox.net>...
> Daniel,
> I would first like to say that, in the past, I have always rooted for you.
> I thought you had the kind of engaging personality and charisma that the
> game of poker needs. Sadly, however, you have allowed your desperate need
> for public recognition, both for you and your close friends, to turn you
> into a mean and vindictive person. You try your best to keep this from you
> adoring fans, but tourney regulars know better.
DANIEL:
Ok, 'tourney regulars?' Who exactly do you mean? Are you a tourney
regular?
> My motivations for making this post are many, and I think I should detail
> them now. As most RGPers know, your post from a couple of days ago was
> about my sister Annie Duke. You claim you wanted to keep her name out of
> it. This is a complete lie.
DANIEL:
Only by your posting, did her name become clear. Had you not
replied, the fact that I was referring to Annie's poor play on the
night would have been known to only a select few.
> First, you knew I would figure out who the post was about.
DANIEL:
Of course, but you already knew how I felt about your sister. I
already told you that I didn't dislike you, but couldn't possibly deal
with the behaviour of your sister.
You were in my backyard after a party when I explained that to you.
Your response was simply,"That's Annie". A reasonable response coming
from her brother, that I understand, and don't blame you for. You
have virtually no choice but to love her- I on the other hand, have
every right and reason to think of her differently.
Eventually, I decided that if that's Annie, well then I'm gald to
hear it! If she was everthing I percieved her to be, and her only
brother admitted to those faults, then I wanted absolutely nothing to
do with her.
> You also knew that a lot of other high limit players would
> be able to figure it out. You thought it would be cute to continue your
> smear campaign against my sister just under the radar.
DANIEL:
Honestly, I didn't care that much. I knew all along what I was
risking by taking a stand against her, and was more than willing to
suffer the consequences, whatever they may be.
> Then in one of your
> follow up posts to my "Grow up" thread, you wrote, "The same person that
> will tell a player NOT to educate the other players, then five minutes later
> ask the player she told not to say anything a poker question?" The use of
> the female pronoun seems intentional.
DANIEL:
I realize that, but I would swear that it was unintentional, not
like it matters much at this point. It was only your replies, that
prompted the obviousness of who the """expert""" was.
> I can only conclude that you really
> did want to publicly embarrass her. But this post is only a culmination of
> a summer full of public attacks on my sister, a campaign that has hurt her
> deeply. My sister has been inclined to not fight back. But I can not sit
> idly by any longer.
DANIEL:
Not fight back??? Oh please, you must be joking. That's hardly
true, but I won't include examples that would 'out' innocent
bystanders just to prove my point. She has been doing her fair share
of smearing, and this I know for an absolute fact.
> You have also made it clear that you are willing to damage your own
> reputation to bring Annie down. I will get into your reasons for this
> later. I know that if I can diminish you in any way in the eyes of the
> public, you will feel personally diminished. Sad but true.
DANIEL:
I have made it clear for more than a year, that I will not sugarcoat
my feelings about anybody. If I don't like someone- they'll now. I'm
not interested in being a politician that puts on a happy face to get
elected. If I can't stand sonebody, I feel NO shame in letting
EVERYBODY know it. Of course, I'm the one who suffers the most from
theses stands, but as I've said before, I'm more than willing to deal
with the consequences.
> For me, violence is not an option, so the only thing I can do to make you
> pay something for the pain you have caused my sister is to make the public
> aware of your true nature.
DANIEL:
Violence is not an option for me either, but apparantly that's not
true of her husband who sent me a private e-mail.
> Your reasons for going after my sister's reputation as a poker player are
> obvious to anyone who knows you and many others who don't. First, you
> simply feel that the only female poker player who deserves any media
> attention is Jennifer Harman.
DANIEL:
Not true in the least! A reporter asked me for names of SUCCESSFUL
female poker players in both tournaments and live play, and I replied
with Kathy Liebert for tournaments (the most successful female
tournament player 5 years running, and Jennifer Harman, the most
successful,side game player currently). I also included, Susie Issacs
(winner of two consecutive women's titles), Mimi Tran (an excellent
high stakes hold'em player and tournament player). If I included
Annie's name, I would have been lying.
> Second, you just don't like my sister. There
> is something about her personality that rubs you the wrong way. I can't
> blame you for this and would never hold that against you. We all have those
> people we just can't get along with.
DANIEL:
This is true. From the day I met her when I was 22 years of age
playing at the 4 Queens. She went OUT OF HER WAY to ridicule me and
embarass me, despite the fact that she had no idea who I was. Calling
me 'cupboy', criticizing my play, and overall making me, and all
others not in the 'clique' feel unwelcome. Of course when I'd won
some tournaments her attitude changed towards me... BZZZZT, too late.
> Your obsession with the public's perception of Jennifer's place among the
> top women players combined with your general dislike of Annie has caused you
> to lose all objectivity where she is concerned.
DANIEL:
Obsession? Do YOU doubt the fact that she is the best female player
in the world? If you do you'd be lying. She is the best female
player I've ever seen. Allen Cunningham and Phil Ivey are the two
best young players I've ever seen. John Hennighan, when playing his
best, is the best player I've ever played with. Scotty Nguyen and John
Juanda, are the best pure tournament players I've ever seen. TJ
Cloutier, is the best no limit tournament player I've ever seen. Even
you Howatd, are one of the best short-handed hold'em players I've ever
played with.... These are not obsessions, they are opinions.
> If we only look for the bad in people, whether it be their conduct or their play,
> there will always be something to find. Nobody is perfect. But this obsession is
> causing great harm to Annie, and it needs to stop.
DANIEL:
She's been causing harm to many (unchallenged) for years, and it's
about time somebody said something about it. Do you REALLY think I'm
alone in thinking that Annie is a horrible person to have in the poker
room? I'd hate to mention names as it's uncalled for, but clearly YOU
understand why she's so unbearable?
> I could almost stomach the attacks on her play if that was all you had been
> doing. But you have gotten really nasty and personal. You have been heard
> at tournaments, where Annie is not present, referring to her as "Annie
> Puke."
DANIEL:
Yes, and FOR THE RECORD, that name was originated by the MIRAGE
dealers years ago. It was later coined by Sam Grizzle, after he beat
her heads up and she cried to you on the phone about losing a hand she
was a favorite in (this part is all second hand, I wasn't there). The
Mirage dealers hated her so much, that they would routinely refer to
her as "Annie Puke".
> You have also complained that she doesn't have any nice clothes and
> she looks disgusting.
DANIEL:
No, I complained that she wears the SAME dirty clothes, day in and
day out. That she wears no shoes and walks around the poker room, and
then sits on her dirty, sweaty feet in the Bellagio poker room. Other
people then have to sit on these chairs after she's stained them with
athlete's foot over several hours. There are dress codes for poker
rooms (no tank tops), well how much nastier can you get then urinated
foot sweat soaked into $2000 chairs???
> I am sure your wardrobe would be just amazing after
> going through four pregnancies in six years.
DANIEL:
Well, I certainly wouldn't start picking the toejam from my feet and
handling the cards, even if I had 15 kids.
> This is grade school stuff on your part, but it still hurts. When I
> ask your friends about why you have gone berserk on this Annie thing,
> they just shake their heads and can't really explain it. I would be
> surprised if any of your friends think this has been a good thing for you to do.
DANIEL:
I don't doubt it wasn't a 'good thing' for me to do. I'd likely be
much better off keeping my opinions to myself, and 'worrying' about
what others would think of me. I'm not worried. I am who I am, and
those who don't like it... well there is little I can, or would want
to do to change it.
> I would not have had to make this post if you had been even a little
> contrite in response to my post of two days ago. But, instead you showed
> your true colors. Your first response to me, at 5:42 P.M., went like this:
> "I just thought the post was funny. I didn't name any names did I? All
> that stuff REALLY happened. If anything, it's a good advertisement for the
> Bellagio game."
DANIEL:
Was it not? Did you read the four hands? If that wasn't a good
advertisement for the game, I don't know what is.
> We now know this wasn't the real reason for your post.
DANIEL:
Ok, got me there. Did you even hear what she did... that night
alone?? Do you have any clue how rude and obnoxious, and offensive
she was? Yeah, that was the real reason for my post. She behaved
just as she did when I first met her at the 4 Queens, only worse.
Completely out of line, on several occasions.
> You didn't want your
> adoring public to think that your post might have been mean spirited.
DANIEL:
'They' have heard it all before, and at this point, I have very
little to hide. I am NOT a yes man, and I don't go with the flow.
When I see a bad apple, I say so- I don't let things like that slide.
> But you couldn't stand it and 16 minutes later you posted:
> "One more thing 'the self proclaimed 'expert' deserves all the criticism the
> expert gets. The expert, is the same person that routinely takes part in
> all of the stupid conversation that goes on in those games. All of the,
> 'how bad does he play' talk. The expert deserves to hear some of that same
> criticism. If the expert were a gentle, nice person who wasn't so rude and
> obnoxious at the table, I never would have posted any of this stuff. The
> expert, is the same person that will look at your hole cards when out of a
> hand, but won't let you look at theirs. The same person that will tell a
> player NOT to educate the other players, then five minutes later ask the
> player she told not to say anything a poker question? The expert is a stuck
> up bully, that deserves everything the expert dishes out, ten fold."
> It was nice of you to call yourself on your own lie so quickly.
DANIEL:
What lie are you referring to? I stande behind everything I said in
this post.
> I have also noticed a pattern where outrageous behavior is OK if it is you
> who does it. While drunk in a medium stakes poker game, you tried to snatch
> a player's toupee off his head.
DANIEL:
Wow, this is a total lie, and it never happened. I'm surprised at
you, normally you are so careful with things like this...
nonetheless...
> You then told him that he should get it washed. You now fondly recall this
> incident as funny, funny perhaps to you.
DANIEL:
OK, you have NO IDEA what the history behind this incident was, and
are making assumptions that are all based on heresay. I'll leave it
at that.
> Your repeated comments calling Henry Nowakowski an idiot during your final
> table WSOP web cast where uncalled for and colored by personal issues.
DANIEL:
Ok, here was a clear mistake in judgement on my part. I f---ed up.
However, Henry himself will admit that he provoked the issue. After
beating me in an extremely significant pot, he yelled out "Geramy!!!
These American Idiots think they can push me around." He will admit
to this day that I didn't provoke him in anyway to make this comment.
Sure I was pissed at the broadcast. I shouldn't have even been
there, that I'll admit. I posted an apology for that whole ordeal,
and felt really bad about it.
> These are just two events, but they show that personal attacks aren't just
> reserved for my sister. You seem to be able to justify any action toward
> someone if you personally dislike that person. I find this part of your
> personality quite distasteful.
DANIEL:
Me too actually, that I can't disagree with. I'm not proud of that
fact either, but accept that it as a part of who I am. However, I
don't think I'll ever be able to let things slide- or people slide for
that matter- when I feel compelled to speak up.
> I also find it amusing to see how creative you have gotten at trying to call
> attention to your poker skills. You couldn't just come out and say, "Look
> at me! I have won 7 tournaments this year in only 13 final tables." So you
> did the next best thing.
DANIEL:
You are something else. I've made NUMEREROUS posts about other
players, not involving me in the least. Remember the WSOP Fantasy
pool? Anyway, the ONE time I do a critique the top 20 tournament
players this year in a certain area, you jump on it and say I did it
to call attention to MY poker skills?
I would much prefer someone else doing these types of things on RGP,
but few follow the circuit close enough to be able to add valid
analyisis. I'd planned on covering many areas when I had the time-
many of which would CLEARLY be weaknesses of mine. Why don't you do
it? Certainly RGP readers would be interested in your input.
> You wrote an analysis of the other top players,
> with special attention to their finishing skills, hoping that your adoring
> fans might look up your finishing record and drool. That these capsules
> about your colleagues might upset some of them was of little consequence.
> You'll do anything to further the Daniel legend.
DANIEL:
Do you have any idea how much thought went into whether or not I
should even make those posts? Knowing, that some may not be happy
about what I had to say? I've already dealt with a few of them on a
one on one basis, and found that in the end, they were ok with the
critiques I posted. You make these statements about ME here on RGP-
why no mention EVER of your distaste for Phil Hellmuth's articles?
I like Phil, I think he's nuts at times, but overall I like the guy.
He knows what I like, and don't like about him. Does he have any
idea what YOU think of him? Does he have any inkling about the fact
that you (and Annie) have been caught badmouthing HIM in public? You
make claims that I've trashed Annie in public that I'll admit to, but
would you admit to the same type of Phil bashing on your part? It's
not ok for me to trash your sister, but you find it totally ok to
ridicule Phil in public on a regular basis? Do I smell a double
standard here?
> I am not trying to change you with this post, as I will never again have
> anything to do with you. I will, from now on, ignore you entire existence,
> unless, of course I am trying to bust you at the poker table. You have
> crossed the line, and I don't really care if you ever come back.
DANIEL:
Ok, and I don't blame you. Blood is clearly thicker than water. If
this means we will no longer speak, I'll have to respect, and accept
that.
Daniel Negreanu
kidpo...@hotmail.com
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